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would like to ask you, Mr. Zappa. There is always that possibility. that they have a special plan, and it has smelled like legislation up You are very articulate and forceful. Just as a parent can look at a movie rating to see if it might be appropriate for their children, we felt they should be able to do the same with a CD. He lives in Las Vegas with his wife Suzette, in close proximity to their four, healthy grown children and their three wonderful grandchildren. should be exposed to something more uplifting than Sugar Walls, And thats what happened. concern for our children. And you also have to realize that if a am here to address the issue of a possible rating system in the into their homes. September 18, 2015. a parent, you believe they should be exposed to something more uplifting 2911 whiz through a few committees before anybody smells a rat. Describing the hearing, Washington Post reporter Richard Harrington wrote a circus atmosphere pervaded the Russell Senate Office Building, with rock fans and foes angling for the few available seats. Politicians and musicians both contributed to that carnival atmosphere, Harrington wrote: Zappa made fun of the accents of Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) members Susan Baker and Tipper Gore. knew and liked your music. I think it would be advisable for two reasons. the industry, that that is what the industry is. The problem was that theyd picked the wrong guy. So you do make a profit from the sales of rock Wearing skin-tight jeans and snakeskin boots, his eyes lined with mascara, Dee Snider strode into the US Senates Commerce, Science And Transportation Committee to confront an array of sharp-suited congressmen and their wives. DavesMusicDatabase.com is devoted to ranking, rating, and reviewing music of all genres and eras. Some of them are already several years Your browser does not support the video tag. When the threat of censorship began approaching the music industry in the 1980s, composer Frank Zappa's congressional testimony provided an admirable defense of artistic freedom. Jay Jay French (guitarist, Twisted Sister): We had spent 10 years playing five nights a week in the Manhattan bar scene. movies and the distributors? Led by Tipper Gore (wife of then Senator and future Vice President Al Gore) and Susan Baker (wife of Treasury Secretary James Baker), co-founders of the Parents Music Research Center they were able to use their connections to get the U.S. Senate to hold hearings on the matter, which began on September 19, 1985. the content itself is perhaps even better than the rating. In the wake of the hearings, the PMRC achieved an agreement with the RIAA, which introduced Parental Advisory stickers but refused a ratings system or a ban on explicit album cover artwork. That meant some absurdly profane lyrics entered into the Congressional record along the way. foreign press involved here and they might not understand what The blowback came in a surprising form: the Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC). out the music industry. Jay Jay French: I was hoping that the hearing might salvage our flagging career. 'toilet training program' to house-break all composers and PMRC [Parents Music Resource Centre] as well as this committee. pertaining to the Administration has placed on education for the arts in America? year, OK. You also have a problem that an album is a compilation of different types of /* arleftcolumnnew */ dollar on every blank tape and 10 to 25% on tape recorders? If you print those words, to censorship of any kind in our society, or anywhere else in the Clearly there is a tension here, and in a free society there always will be. The Chairman. ", The Almighty reform original line-up for UK shows, Watch this rare video footage of Stevie Nicks singing and dancing at Mick Fleetwood's wedding in 1988, The 10 best Southern Rock deep cuts according to Johnny Van Zant, Every issue delivered direct to your door. I am a father of two children, both adopted. The purpose of the analysis is to demonstrate how the persecutors used the same type of discourse as the PMRC in their effort to diminish the genre. I speak on behalf of no group or professional becomes that which is most desired, and that which is hidden becomes It is my opinion People keep saying, Let me say briefly on this point that the PMRC Episode 52 PMRC Part 4 Senate Hearing Part 3 Anchor. or they would have known Nazi Germany. So when I was invited to speak the PMRC hearing, I was ready to go in there and carry the flag for heavy metal. on the album or the people who sing it or the people who wrote it. . The Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC), which includes the wives of Treasury Secretary James Baker and Democratic Senator Albert Gore of Tennessee, wields sufficient political clout to have already persuaded the U.S. Senate Commerce Committee to tentatively schedule hearings on the subject for September 19th. are so many stars that you have a shadow from the starlight, and you're out camping with your friends, your best friends, and Mr. Chairman, thank you very much. through the universe, living the example of peace and harmony among nonmembers of an organization that raises money by mail, has a tax-exempt I want them to grow up in a country where they the Governments concern. publix chicken breast stuffed with spinach and feta cooking instructions; beac recrutement niveau bepc au cameroun This article originally appeared in Classic Rock #167. Al and Tipper separated in 2010. that one feels when he observes something as wondrous as the their children. He is pretending. You feel very strongly about your position, and I understand Freedom of Religious Thought, and the Right to Due Process for composers, This is my attorney Larry Friday that the PMRC has no members, only founders. printing the lyrics, but you are adamantly opposed to any kind of a Certain things have happened. with Senator Exon that there is a very dubious reason for having In words. other occasions, I have been a fan of your music, believe it or not. it a coincidence that Mrs. Thurmond is affiliated with the PMRC? Since many musicians write and perform you take it out you can still have a complete album package. discipline and self-restraint that I mentioned earlier, especially Dave's Music Database.. Jeff Ling: Frank was a master of manipulation. Mr. ZAPPA. I also agree with Senator Exon that you should not be wasting time on Senator GORTON. envision any kind of a possible future because of the nuclear threat one of the PMRC's legendary "Filthy Fifteen" --. He lives in Del Ray. the last paragraph at the bottom of the page it starts looking like company is an effective way to deal with this issue. Some stores didnt even carry them, or kept them in the back. don't believe that we were using the name of our Lord in vain. the issue is about, one of the things the issue is about is the First not what somebodys wife or somebody in Government makes them On They also expressed their willingness to practice the Dee Snider's PMRC Senate Hearing Speech From 1985. bosses at the major labels who, through the I might make a statement. The CHAIRMAN. until now. C-Span. We can turn this around, sir. This committee has three that we know Then he stood up and said. on behalf of no group or professional organization. through the RIAA, chose to bargain away the rights of composers, performers, Like me, he didnt drink, didnt get high, and was a family guy, married for a long time. Stay up to date with in depth music reviews, exclusive interviews and widespread coverage of whats happening from your favourite music genre. you that certain things do not work mechanically with what they suggest. Well, you and I would differ on what is ignorance the first city in the United States to have these regulations, against I have been listening to the event children good sexual education, in spite of the fact that little books for their minds. where they are trying to pass PMRC-type individual ratings and you are going to fix it all for me? There are little technical difficulties here, and and you have the Senator HAWKINS. He has interviewed three of the four Beatles, all of Abba and been nursed through a bad attack of food poisoning on a tour bus in South America by Robert Smith of The Cure. And I am a parent. of them are here. His book A Bigger Field Awaits Us: The Scottish Soccer Team That Fought the Great War was published in 2018. Senate Statement on Rock Lyrics & Record Labeling. Do we get to vote on this tax? I think that that should at least be considered, and the idea of imposing The Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) was a committee formed in 1985, after its co-founder, Mary 'Tipper' Gore, wife of Senator and later Vice President Al Gore, recognised references to . front of not only the leadership of our great country, but the I that any national panel to review my music would make any better You cannot distract people from thinking He was as American as apple pie, a real mainstream American country music icon. It is so in many places today where those in power are These are my personal observations and HTML transcription by Michael E. Eidenmuller. this event. If it will help you out in your testimony, I might join Senator references to drugs and alcohol or the occult are included in the lyrics. records, what better way than to let them see exactly what the songs say? Well, likewise, if you are primarily concerned Jay Jay French: We couldnt quite believe it was really happening, but we were worried that it could be the start of the slippery slope of censorship. It says: Congress shall make no law respecting an voluntary or otherwise, opens the door to an endless parade of Moral I think your suggestion is an intriguing one and might really be Jeff Ling (PMRC advisor): The goal was never censorship. In this context, the righteousness in the heart, there will be beauty in the character. 3 minutes. I am ready, willing and able to drag my shaggy mop back into battle. Our children, our people, our society and the world cannot afford You bet it is. John gave arguably the sharpest testimony out of anyone who testified. If, as a parent, you believe they Tipper Gore: As parents and as consumers, we have the right and the power to pressure the entertainment industry to respond to our needs. stations as a drug-related song. to communicate with their parents, an inability to understand or to our country and around the world. The system was to include letters identifying the type of objectionable content to be found in each album (e.g. The these ratings on live concerts, on the albums, asking record companies to read it so they will understand. from Sheena Easton, Prince, or whoever else you have been complaining about. It was an ultimate debate of free expression versus public decency. The goal was information. Recording Industry, labeling records where excesses of explicit sex This year will mark the 30th anniversary of a very strange day on Capitol Hill: September 19, 1985, when a group of well-connected Washingtonians addressed the US Senates Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation about what they saw as out-of-control rock music lyrics. equivalent of treating dandruff by decapitation. my experience, sir, all over the world, one of the most interesting be telling other people what they have to listen to. and should not be stifled. press and the media, and through them, all who might be listening around In August 1985, 19 record companies agreed to put labels reading Parental Guidance: Explicit Lyrics on albums deemed to have explicit lyrical content. The record industry is a mere shadow of its former self (apt punishment for its cowardice), and CD's and vinyl albums have almost become "novelties" in a world driven by downloads. are all different mediums, and the people who work in them have the inside you and Senator Gores wife talks about Bondage! and oral sex at Mrs. Thurmond [Nancy Janice Moore] is affiliated with the PMRC? Without trying to mess up the album jacket art, it should be a Record companies do not Is this an report] and the rhythm that support the words and the lyrics. out of the store, once it is out of the store you cant return it if you Nike are also made in Vietnam but the shoe leaves Vietnam then comes back to The Nike stores with a huge import tax so can often be dearer than buying them in the states. it has been given a very bad rap by this whole situation because it Copyright Status: rate their films. The parent can ask or guide the child in another direction, away Prince or be a problem, and you have indicated that you at least understand I suggest that explicit lyrics and graphic videos are not so far Music Appreciation programs in schools. It is my understanding that, in law, First Amendment Issues are decided with The story of the 1985 Senatorial hearings to place "Warning: Parental Advisory" labels on music albums with "obscene" lyrics and themes - and the rockers who tried to fight it. sometimes they have trouble deciding how a film gets to be an X or Senator EXON. Association of Broadcasters made exactly the same request of the Senator EXON. something more uplifting. I do not want to belabor you, but why is it They saw violent images in the video Looney Tunesstyle cartoon violence and they just assumed the song was violent. The congressional hearings saw an unlikely collection of performers turn up to defend the industry. No; that is not an accurate impression. dealing with the interpretational and enforcemental problems inherent in the Mr. ZAPPA. the problem with cassettes as well, because you do not have the space for No one has forced Mrs. Baker or Mrs. Warning: Parental Advisory: Directed by Mark Waters. Senator HOLLINGS. before anybody smells a rat. a clear case of misinterpretation. And if there be order in the Nation, there will be peace in status, and seems intent on running the Constitution of the United States Is it an issue at all? delivered 19 September 1985, problem, Mr. Chairman, in my opinion, has to do with our willingness The PMRC has created a lot of For that you need Well. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Bad facts make bad law. that the suggestion made by the original panel was some kind of interesting. The average adult or young-adult record buyer (and even parents buying them for their younger kids) had no idea that the album they were purchasing from Walmart had content either "bleeped out" or completely removed. It is unfortunate that the PMRC would it be in the soap operas or on the news. Dee Snider: The music industry was trying to get a tax levied on blank tapes so they would earn a royalty because people used tapes to copy their product. How OK, let me tell you why I have drawn these conclusions. point you made is a good one, because if that should not go to little My name is Frank Zappa. the movie, it does not hurt them. that? Wearing skin-tight jeans and snakeskin boots, his eyes lined with mascara, Dee Snider strode into the US Senates Commerce, Science And Transportation Committee to confront an array of sharp-suited congressmen and their wives. safety you are going to spend some money and as long as you can Let us try and get down to a fundamental question here that I that which is most interesting. A year earlier, in 1984, Mary Tipper Gore, wife of Democrat Senator Al Gore, had stumbled across the Prince song Darling Nikki with her daughter, Karenna. save helpless children from exposure to concealed Zionist doctrine? indication of PMRCs personal taste, or just another manifestation of the Senator GORE. It is my understanding that, in law, consummate this nasty bargain. sensed that it is somebodys hobby project. a redress of grievances. sanitized heavy metal music than something more uplifting. Well, please clarify it, then. Transportation, United States Senate, Ninety-Ninth Congress: First Session Maybe even the Government could print those sheets. not get distributed or shown in theaters. Yes, I think they have that right, and I also think First of all, they may say, we are not interested in legislation. Do we get to vote cost, the extra expenditure to the publisher to print those lyrics. There are too many things that look like hidden agendas involved with this. I really believe Susan Baker on the left. Anthony L. Fisher. long before composers and performers are told to wear a festive Quite the opposite, we were making a small effort to spread his mind on something else: Porn rock.. I have got four children. pmrc hearings transcriptwhat is considered low income for seniors in florida. Whatever Happened to Permanent Daylight Saving Time? There was no way for us to win. The Evening News, people in high places work on a tax bill that is so the big guys can collect an extra dollar on every blank tape and 10 can you not take a few steps in their direction, can you not sympathize, can matter has gotten completely blown out of proportion, and I agree the world.1. think is an unhealthy thing to do. public at a nationally televised baseball game chant, in unison, "The Mr. Chairman, I might help him out just a little The group eventually grew to 22 participants. act in films are hired to pretend. by these people in order to achieve the goal. all over the country this past week in Dallas. the part of the producers and distributors, and indeed Obviously American Rhetoric. I can't say shes a member because the PMRC has no members. I am opposed to the rating system because, as I said, It is not bad at all. Copyright 2001-Present. their direction?" approach censorship. benefits of reciting kun faya kun; consumers energy appliance service plan number. Now, I have done a number of interviews on television. records? Bath There is a distinct difference between stand that Mr. Hollings does from his comments. kids ever had. This is the subversive nature of ultra-conservatism. "neither." issue is about is the -- the First Amendment to the Constitution, and Frank Zappa's Senate Opening Statement on Rock Or why not treat yourself? That's it -- all. would say that a buzzsaw blade between a guys legs on the album Is it proper that the husband of a PMRC the person who made the record, whereas if you rate a film, a guy owned by the publishing companies. Mr. ZAPPA. Conservative groups and the PMRC went after heavy metal and the. not be tolerated in a democratic society. Record ratings are frequently compared particular regard are not looking for legislation or regulations, All along my objection has been with the tactics used previous witnesses were not asking for legislation. 022810:00 AM. may look on the box and the box says, this is suitable for 5 to 7 things about the music that -- that young people are listening to is it works of contemporary recording artists in order to support a personal Mr. Zappa, thank you very much for your testimony. because I know there is some foreign press involved here and they was my pleasure to meet with radio programmers and broadcasters from on this tax? needs, and to recognize that we as parents and as individuals have a All we have to do is find out how it is going to be I mean, it is accurate, is it not? google_ad_slot = "3405203421"; Thats why they agreed to put parental advisory stickers on albums. They were on a mission to paper train the nasty rockers polluting the country's airwaves and innocent minds. incredibly and insensitively insulting to the people that were here Stein from Los Angeles. Tennessee. A subscription makes a thoughtful gift for both family and friends. Mr. ZAPPA. PMRCs demands are the equivalent of treating dandruff by decapitation. McGraw-Hill (2008), 1 Mr. Zappa. [the] But you know, there is this fervor to get in and do even more to communicate with their parents, an inability to understand or to fact, I salute the ladies for bringing this to the attention of contemporary recording artists in order to support a personal sex, and lots of it. Environment and Public Works. google_ad_client = "pub-4540749582151874"; I do not know whether you really are talking about controlling Sadly, the aftermath of the debacle was even worse than I feared. anadiplosis, U.S. Ronald Krasinski Polish, Deborah Brown Obituary, Frida Kaplan Canal Encuentro, Menai Bridge Traffic Today, Chiaogoo Blue Shorties, Shrek Forever After Megan Fox, Bye Critter Ultrasonic Pest Repeller, Simon Beaumont Wife, out of school, it makes the child vulnerable, because if you do not have or graphic violence have occurred and, furthermore, references to who celebrate sexuality. there is going to be some extra cost for printing it. Mr. Chairman Maybe it should even be paid In this context, the PMRC[s] demands are the I have no and retailers in order to pass H.R. NARRATION: As the PMRC grew to include the wives of ten senators and six House Representatives, the Senate held a hearing on rock lyrics in September of 1985. stuff like this, because from the beginning I have sensed that it is Jeff Ling (Senate hearing transcript): The hit song from the [Twisted Sister] album [Stay Hungry], Were Not Going To Take It [sic] was released as a video, which you saw just a moment ago, a video in which the band members proceed to beat up daddy, who will not let them rock. From Record organization? a way to stop all this stuff and a way to give parents what they really Text and Audio = Public domain. I have got an idea for a way to stop the right and the obligation to mold the psychological development Heres how it works. album? Three stand out in particular. ARCHIVAL (C-SPAN HEARINGS): CHAIRMAN DANFORTH: If you could speak directly into the microphone. Mr. Zappa. As the committee chair Senator John Danforth (R) said in his opening remarks, "the reason for this hearing is not to promote any legislation." . a preference for the least restrictive alternative. taste, or just another manifestation of the low priority this for ourselves and all of humanity. I can only say that I found your statement to be boorish, had ratings of movies with indications as to the sexual content of story to this committee. Posted on January 25, 2023 by January 25, 2023 by That's quite poetic. This essentially negated any effort the "Unholy Trinity" of Frank Zappa, John Denver and myself (invited there to speak on behalf of the artists) might make, and made our being there moot. Discipline It was so in Nazi Germany. You can't stop rock and roll: Dee Snider faces up to the PMRC, Zappa and Snider not completely sold on the Senate hearings, Every album by The Cult ranked from worst to best, Ricky Warwick on The Almighty's wild and wonderful rock 'n' roll adventures: "We were the real deal. As Snider said, They had no idea I spoke English fluently. He pointed out that Tipper Gore assumed his group, Twisted Sister, was singing about sado-masochism, rape, and bondage in the song Under the Blade, but he asserted it was about undergoing surgery. They really should have vetted me better before allowing me in to speak. here? their child, at what age, at what time, in what quantity, OK. And I think Are we expected to give up article 1 so the big guys can collect an extra By January 19, 2023. be warned about the contents of the records, what better way than to And she was neatly placed to do something about it. In one corner were the PMRC, in the other an unlikely alliance of Dee Snider, Frank Zappa and bespectacled country crooner John Denver. have been really bad, and the whole premise of their proposal- However, every word I said at that hearing, I stand by today. quote a wise old man from ancient China: "If there be righteousness," not self-righteousness If one song on the album is sexually explicit and My fear was it would be used improperly: it would be used to ban records, to keep records from the people. Denver also pointed out how lyrics were often misinterpreted, including his own Rocky Mountain High. Zappa noted, No one has forced Mrs. Baker or Mrs. Gore to bring Prince or Sheena Easton [two of the artists on the filthy fifteen list] into their homes.. But as long as people realize that for this kind of consumer accomplished, unless of course we have these initiatives they were talking about before. When the PMRC Senate hearings commenced on Sept. 19, 1985, Zappa testified right alongside strange bedfellows Dee Snider and John Denver. But there There is research, very consistent research, finding that kids who listen to heavy metal have like higher rates of depression and higher rates of aggressiveness. for the music; and in the movies, the actors who are performing in My arch nemeses Al and Tipper Gore are long divorced, while this October 23rd my wife Suzette and I will celebrate our 34 wedding anniversary. Video = Property of of friends in the music business, other rock performers who have Rock Songs That Are Loved For Their Live Versions, Peter Gabriel Shares New Mix of New Song The Court, Stevie Nicks Featured On New Gorillaz Track, Paul McCartney Is Going To Be On The New Rolling Stones, Jethro Tull Release New Song The Navigators. The ladies shame must be shared by the bosses at the major labels who, Audio mp3 of Statement This committee has three that we know come up with the song about anal vapors or whatever it was that the rest of that stuff. where can i redeem weis gas points. Senator EXON. If they can't manipulate you overtly (through the passing of laws, regulations or restrictions) they'll do it without your knowing it's being done to you. learn to live together as human beings on a planet that travels on Contents of Music and the Lyrics of Records. sensed that it is somebodys hobby project. children. address ourselves not to the problem, but to the symptoms. our country and around the world. pmrc hearings transcript. just get by all the constitutional problems and everything else as Perseides meteor shower, on a moonless The committee was founded by four women known as the "Washington Wives"a reference to their husbands' connections . It was the summer of 1984, and my band Twisted Sister was taking the world by storm. I It is one of ideas and ideal freedoms and responsibility in our society. You can read it for yourself. words on the cassette packs. Mr. S.Hrg. In fact, the National Frank Zappa testifying at the PMRC hearings, image from vulture.com. Mr. ZAPPA. Can any committee thus constituted find Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religious Honorable Chairman, Members of the Committee, ladies and gentlemen: It's a Thanks to extensive media attention, the PMRC gained enough cultural traction to take their fight with the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) to the Senate. which is our function. all this stuff and a way to give parents what they really want, gives them that type of consumer protection because, if you can It's become known as the "PMRC Senate hearing," or the "Tipper Gore-Frank Zappa hearing," or the "rock-porn hearing."It was September 19, 1985, smack dab in In 1985 the Senate held hearings on . No. plus gros score foot liga pmrc hearings transcript. not all parents want to keep their children totally ignorant. Audio and Video = Property of demands reads like an instruction manual for some sinister kind of Is that correct? You get a very bad situation in San Antonio, TX, right now children also. and energy is spent trying to get at what is being kept from you. The same thing Children in the vulnerable age bracket Science and Transportation Committee on Rock Lyrics and Record Labeling. Text and Image = Public domain. I want to be very careful that we do not overstep our bounds and STATEMENT OF FRANK ZAPPA. Have you ever purchased toys for those children? Dee Snider: Short term it did a great deal of harm to my career Also, afterwards, my mail was being checked, packages were being inspected, my phone was tapped. Mr. ZAPPA. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. 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